Tuesday 16 April 2013

High Pitch Sound from Charger...? Here is why.



submitted ago by magister0
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If the charger is plugged in, but the phone isn't plugged into the charger, it will make this annoying sound. When I plug the phone in, it stops, but then when the phone is fully charged, it makes the noise again, except 10 times worse and it steadily increases with time. Why does this happen? And can anything be done?
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[–]br549xt93 8 points ago
OMG! Mine does that too and it drives me crazy! I've noticed it with chargers for other things too, not just phones. I wonder if you can fix that...
[–]ctzl 3 points ago
It's your hearing. You are special - you hear that shit. Most people don't. As someone else said, "forever annoyed".
[–][deleted] 2 points ago
Now that I'm special... I hate it.
And yeah, I love posting on 4 month old threads when I find 'em on Google.
[–]iHelix150 6 points ago
Modern wall wart type transformers use what's called a switching power supply. It looks like this inside-
AC power ->  [transformer] -> [rectifier] -> [switch] -> [capacitor] -> output
Basically AC power is first stepped down to a lower voltage (a bit above the output voltage), then converted to DC (rectified) with a diode bridge. Here's where the interesting part happens- a special regulator circuit rapidly switches the power on and off. The capacitor smooths this out, creating a constant voltage. This output voltage is continuously sampled by the switching regulator so it knows if the capacitor needs more 'on' or 'off' time.
Think of it like a 10PSI water hose, connected with a T-junction to a balloon, and you want 5PSI output. So you constantly watch the output pressure guage and turn the water on when it hits 4.9PSI and off when it hits 5.1PSI. The balloon will absorb these pulses of pressure and result in a steady 5PSI output.
Now this switching circuit works fast- in the kilohertz range. Most switching power supplies use a switching frequency above 20-30KHz so the human ear can never hear it. However for one that is in the 10-20KHz range, the switching is sometimes translated into audio frequency noise by aging capacitors.
The noise changes based on how much power is being consumed by your phone. When the phone is consuming power, the switch is 'on' more often. When the phone uses less or no power (unplugged), the switch (even if it operates at a supersonic frequency) may only be 'on' one out of every several hundred cycles, which creates an audible tone in the capacitor.
Unfortunately the way to stop it is to just buy a new cell phone charger, ideally one that's not a cheap piece of shit. If your phone charger is not a cheap piece of shit (note that whether or not it's a cheap piece of shit has nothing to do with how much you paid for it) its possible its capacitors were damaged by spikes, surges or other bad quality power problems, in which case you should invest in a good quality surge suppressor with noise filtering.
[–]gannon6790 2 points ago
so the mechanism for the noise is a physical switch that either connects or disconnects the supply side of the transformer? does this also apply to the little transformers in tvs, cfls, phone chargers, disposable cameras, and the like?
[–]iHelix150 1 point ago
No, the switch isn't physical, you can't move a physical switch 10,000+ times a second. The switch is solid state, a transistor.
What makes the noise is the capacitor. Caps can sometimes make noise- think of the flash in a cheap / old camera and how it makes that increasing pitch noise as it charges up.
[–]gannon6790 2 points ago
yeah, what's the physical mechanism for translating the electrical energy to vibrations in the air? sorry if i'm badgering, but this has perplexed me for a long time.
[–]iHelix150 2 points ago
From what I understand, it's from either ceramic capacitors having piezoelectric properties or from magnetostriction (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Magnetostriction)
[–]gannon6790 2 points ago
that sounds awesome. i'm gonna read that when i get home.
[–]nsfwdreamer 12 points ago
It sounds like you are one of the rare people who can hear a transformer.
[–]benjisauce 8 points ago
Forever annoyed.
[–]gannon6790 6 points ago
man i can hear transformers in all kinds of stuff. and i'm thirty! i've been waiting for my hearing to start failing so i can't hear all these high pitched electronic things all the time. it's quite annoying. one of the few things i can't wait to start getting ''old'' for.
[–]PhantomCheezit 6 points ago
I can walk into a room an know the TV is on even if the screen is black just from this got damn sound.
[–]veetee 2 points ago
Me too! It hasn't gone away yet for you either? It's really annoying.
[–]bib4tuna 4 points ago
More than meets the ear?
[–]kabuto 3 points ago
It's normal for transformers and AC adapters to make these nosies. It comes from energy losses that are transformed into mechanical energy generating these sounds.
I think the problem is that chargers/adapters are very small heavily integrated. If you would put the transformer farther away from the other parts you'd get less interference, but also a larger device. There may be other filtering methods to remove the hum, but I'm no engineer.
Here are a few Wikipedia links about this general topic: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mains_hum
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Transformer
[–]bobadobalina 8 points ago
Have you ever walked by a big electric transformer and heard it buzzing or humming? The noise you hear is that equivalent.
The transformer coil is burning out. The reason is louder when the phone is charged is because the energy has no place to go so it remains in the charger. It keeps building up so the humming gets louder.
Don't worry. It will stop when your house goes up in flames.
[–]iHelix150 14 points ago
actually this isn't true at all. It's a switch-mode power supply which is running at a frequency inside the human hearing range. If any part of it is burning out its a capacitor and it will not catch fire.
[–]flynnski 5 points ago
Fire's funnier.
[–]cwstjnobbs 2 points ago
It's normal for a transformer to make that noise, my laptop power brick does it too if it's plugged in but the laptop is off.
Here's an idea, unplug the damn thing when you are not using it. That annoying whine? That's the sound of wasted electricity.
[–]esoterrorist 1 point ago
/r/techsupport might be better. better yet would be an EE subreddit, if you can find one
[–]jjbcn 1 point ago
I have a lamp (an expensive angle-poise one!) that buzzes loudly for about a minute when first switched on. I asked an electronics engineer friend how to stop the buzz but he didn't know.
[–]KirbyG 1 point ago
I think it's handy.
BZZZZZZZZZZ. "Oh! Phone's done charging."
[–]CapersandCheese 1 point ago
Im glad you asked. I was wondering this a few days ago... I just opt to unplug it when it gets annoying. Running out of juice is solved by carrying an extra charger when Im out and being really good at finding outlets in public
[–]lphoenix 1 point ago
I can hear those too, and have actually had to get rid of several electronics because I just cannot stand it, can't be in same room with it, it drills right into your brain! The buzzing, the hum, aaaaagghhh! I try to avoid buying anything with an adapter but you can't always. Have had to get rid of every electric clock and now use only those that run on batteries, the hum!! We have a lot of power outages here, and I can tell the moment I walk in the door that the power's off, because it's so quiet, so peaceful, my house is like some ancient cathedral. I'd live off the grid if I could, but really, that's not going to happen.
[–]randumnumber 1 point ago
Its not normal to hear that? I hear that shit all the time. I can hear the click before my alarm clock goes off too.